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Used 19 Bullitts thread

There are 16 2019 "used" Bullitts for sale within 500 miles of me. Some interesting price and mileage variations.

Looks to be a fully loaded model with 5300 miles:

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...erview/http://

Yet this one, albeit dirty, is the same spec with only 55 miles for the same price:

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...9048/overview/

Cheapest overall is $43,877 for a car with electronics package, magnaride and 1100 miles.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...1770/overview/

Not sure without window stickers though how to see the exact spec of each car.
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Link didn't work on the first one. Sure wonder what the story is on the 2nd one. Seller isn't saying much...
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Just curiosity on my part, but it would be interesting to contact the original buyers of these cars...

But you never know...as many here know, I simply regretted buying my '09. Still kinda do, but Cindy convinced me that it's best to try to drive my money out of it. I offered it for $20K here when the odo read only 4,000. Mark wanted it, but was unable to buy...no other offers. Probably best for me that it didn't sell. It's been a reliable and comfortable driver for a hair over 30,000 miles now. Just not a thrill ride for me.

So, could be a story similar, with the original buyer simply not happy with the car, or could be repoed, or something fishy...damage not being revealed.

Anybody considering one of these cars, I'd advise proceeding with extreme caution..

(edit) These a bit weird in light of a recent thread showing dealers still asking additional markup. I'm puzzled.
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Not good if selling so soon.


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Iím going to be brutally honest here. Iíve thought of selling my 2019 a couple times. For a loss even. The transmission issues scare the crap out of me. Itís just not right. Itís a garbage transmission with spotty at best shifting. I have a collection of Mustangs and Capris and countless other performance cars over the years and with the exception of my 2001 Bullitt with the known issue going into 2nd gear, not one other of them give/gave me hesitation to drive it. Like I mean drive it. Like they were built to be driven. Until this one. Iím beyond far from hard on this car. I have drag raced Mustangs. Mustangs I built to drag race. I donít do that type of driving on the road in my stock car. I save that for the track in my built for the track car. Fun, spirited driving in the 2019 just isnít right. There is definitely an underlying issue. My buddy is a Nascar crew chief and the first time he drove my car ďaround the blockĒ he said ďTake it back. Your transmission is f*ckedĒ. Same thing Iíve been saying since delivery. Sad thing is, I was warned by my local dealer prior to taking delivery that there were still issues and I didnít listen. Wanted the car too bad. Drives me nuts that Matt is piling miles into his with zero concern and I feel like I have the lemon.

My 2019, while it puts a huge smile on my face every time I drive it, the transmission has issues 100%. I know it. Dealer knows it. Ford denies it. Itís well documented on service history but I know I put too few miles on it having so many other cars to spread my driving time around that the real issues will surface when itís well out of warranty. With Fordís terrible track record with my last 6 F150s and various warranty issues, I just know Iím on my own to correct their manufacturing flaws. This transmission included. That cost will far exceed the money I have spent fixing F150s on my own that Ford wouldnít step up on.

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Many old phrases hang around because they are true. So....

If something seems too good to be true, it's because it is.
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Just curiosity on my part, but it would be interesting to contact the original buyers of these cars...
Is that possible here? I know in the UK you can pay the DVLA (DMV) a fee to get every previous registration certificate (title) issued on your car. It is popular with classic car owners wanting to get the history of their car.

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But you never know...as many here know, I simply regretted buying my '09. Still kinda do, but Cindy convinced me that it's best to try to drive my money out of it. I offered it for $20K here when the odo read only 4,000. Mark wanted it, but was unable to buy...no other offers. Probably best for me that it didn't sell. It's been a reliable and comfortable driver for a hair over 30,000 miles now. Just not a thrill ride for me.

So, could be a story similar, with the original buyer simply not happy with the car, or could be repoed, or something fishy...damage not being revealed.

Anybody considering one of these cars, I'd advise proceeding with extreme caution..
Could be any of those like you say. Could some also be dealer test cars etc? I think the most likely explanation is either people aren't enjoying them and got the opportunity to buy something else or can't keep up the payments (I have seen one confirmed case of this). I'd be surprised if they were damaged and been fixed up so quickly.


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My 2019, while it puts a huge smile on my face every time I drive it, the transmission has issues 100%. I know it. Dealer knows it. Ford denies it. Itís well documented on service history but I know I put too few miles on it having so many other cars to spread my driving time around that the real issues will surface when itís well out of warranty. With Fordís terrible track record with my last 6 F150s and various warranty issues, I just know Iím on my own to correct their manufacturing flaws. This transmission included. That cost will far exceed the money I have spent fixing F150s on my own that Ford wouldnít step up on.

I bleed Ford blue. But my blood is running thin...
That sucks, I'm so sorry to hear that. I haven't gotten mine yet and will probably buy used but I'd be crushed to buy my dream car and be having issues with it.




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16 for sale within 500 miles of me, which what, 9000 built new in the last yr? I think they are all probably legitimate cars but then that's me giving them the benefit of doubt.
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Can you elaborate on the transmission issues ? Is this a common problem and does it only affect Bullitts or GT's as well ?
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I'm not sure of all the issues, but I believe the main issue on the 2018 onwards MT-82 transmission was failure of aluminum selector forks. I BELIEVE this was a batch issue and not a design issue but others can correct me. Other issues I don't know much about but have heard voicing's is of it being difficult to select gears when cold.
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So I guess this is not something you would notice when you first pick up the car ? It gets worse over time ? I am thinking of a 2020 GT. Maybe I should go Auto
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The problem seems to be exacerbated with heavy use. The cast aluminum shift forks deform, eventually causing loss of gear selection. Apparently this has been corrected, but I'd like to see billet aluminum shift forks or a steel variant. (Billet forks already available aftermarket) There were some synchro. issues as well, no doubt in part, as a result of wonky shift forks.
The other thing is the ratio selection in the 18> is not close ratio enough for my liking. A buddy has a 16, and I like his gearbox better than the current one. The 18> has 2 overdrives, the fuel mileage is very good, but the progression through the gears seems wide to me.
My new Dodge truck has an 8 spd automatic and you can hardly feel the changes, very close together. I have nearly 500 KM on the truck and have just used a 1/4 of a tank of fuel so far. For me, in the Mustang GT, the Ford 10 Spd automatic is superior in all ways except the for the tactile pleasure of shifting gears.
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The problem seems to be exacerbated with heavy use. The cast aluminum shift forks deform, eventually causing loss of gear selection. Apparently this has been corrected, but I'd like to see billet aluminum shift forks or a steel variant. (Billet forks already available aftermarket) There were some synchro. issues as well, no doubt in part, as a result of wonky shift forks.
The other thing is the ratio selection in the 18> is not close ratio enough for my liking. A buddy has a 16, and I like his gearbox better than the current one. The 18> has 2 overdrives, the fuel mileage is very good, but the progression through the gears seems wide to me.
My new Dodge truck has an 8 spd automatic and you can hardly feel the changes, very close together. I have nearly 500 KM on the truck and have just used a 1/4 of a tank of fuel so far. For me, in the Mustang GT, the Ford 10 Spd automatic is superior in all ways except the for the tactile pleasure of shifting gears.
The gear ratios in a '19 Bullitt could really be improved. The engine is "peaky" but the gear ratios IMO are better suited to an engine with more low end grunt. 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear are too tall and could be tighter spaced ratio-wise. Same for 5th too really. OK to leave 6th where it is for highway driving. That and the car is too heavy but don't get me started on that.

Personally if Ford made the next Mustang under 3400 pounds, same engines, revised gear ratios and made a few chassis improvements to give it a lighter driving feel and slightly improved handling, the car crowd would go crazy over that and there would be some very clear differentiation between the Mustang and it's domestic competition. Oh and ditch the vacuum gauge and replace it with an engine oil temp gauge.
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