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08-28-2019 11:22 AM
JackDW - 852 There is also a TSB for the '08 scrapping with going into second while cold. Mine did that initially and after having the TSB service, problem went away. The TSB involved replacing some of the synchronizers in the Transmission. Mine was done under warranty early on.

Brings up another event from the past. Had several GM vehicles that has the Muncie 4-speed transmissions. Somewhere along the line (not sure if this was GM or Muncie) they decided the Brass Rings that was part of the synchronizers didn't really have to be brass, so they started adding aluminum. Needless to say, that held up for maybe one hard shift and the aluminum would stretch and cause scrapping each time you shifted. Was disappointing right after to rebuilt a transmission and it started scrapping and you had to go back in and replace the synchronizers because someone in the manufacturing chain "cheaped" out. I still have a Muncie M21 in my garage that have the bad brass rings. Original to my '70 Nova SS. When I start rebuilding that car (hopefully next year), I will rebuild the tranny and put in good parts.
08-27-2019 04:59 PM
bullit4404 My 08 crunches in second when cold and is fine when warm. You just have to ease it into second. For the 01's there was a whole kit available to cure the problem along with a TSB
The early M-82's had problems as well. Same thing, but a switch from gear lube to ATF usually solved the problem. (TSB) The clutches would come loose as well, bolts too short, another TSB. I built a track car from a 2011 and both issues had to be fixed, along with a clutch mas. cyl. problem, clutch would stick all the way in on high rev. shifts, one more TSB.
A lot of TSB's are not covered by warranty indefinitely, just more of a heads up for the dealers. Some are extended past warranty if it's a known issue. Ask your dealer or pay $20 for an Alldata membership and see all recalls and TSB's.
08-27-2019 03:50 PM
BULLITT02734
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Yes, that's the first year of its use. By the way, for as maligned as it is, and as I might have posted on other threads, Tremec's T3650 that went into the 2001 model was also maligned because it had synchronizers that would crunch, resulting in a rebuild TSB or outright replacements.


Tony, I heard that Ford performed that TSB on the 2001’s well into the late 2000’s and outside of warranty periods. Exactly how long does Ford have to stand behind a TSB? I thought only the warranty period.

My 2001 has always had that issue. Never got worse, never went away but pretty nasty when cold and almost completely gone when warmed up. I may end up getting around to fixing it and wondering what it involves or should I just take it to the dealer and have the TSB performed at my cost.

That said, you made a good point and it shows Tremec is not without it’s issues either and at that a trait my new 2019 MT-82 shares.


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08-27-2019 02:34 PM
Tony Alonso
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I don't know when they started the Mustang Chinese gearbox production? I'm guessing in 2011 with the intro of the M-82.



Yes, that's the first year of its use. By the way, for as maligned as it is, and as I might have posted on other threads, Tremec's T3650 that went into the 2001 model was also maligned because it had synchronizers that would crunch, resulting in a rebuild TSB or outright replacements.
08-27-2019 01:00 PM
bullit4404 Magna bought Getrag in July of 2015. They operate nearly 350 manufacturing facilities producing all manner of automotive parts, mostly for the big 3. Biggest auto parts manufacturer in North America. Major stock holder is the Stronach family, Frank (father) and children including Belinda, who for a short time, was a member of parliament here in Canada.
So Magna's influence, transmission wise wouldn't have kicked in for awhile. I don't know when they started the Mustang Chinese gearbox production? I'm guessing in 2011 with the intro of the M-82.
08-26-2019 11:58 PM
Tony Alonso
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Magna International(Canadian) and Ford run Getrag as a co-venture.

Thank you for this information. Does that mean we blame Canada for issues?

To be clear, this was good-natured ribbing.
08-26-2019 11:53 PM
Tony Alonso
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I manage a 60+ year old Canadian company that manufactures both here and offshore. Everything we offer is engineered in Canada. Still get crap out of China that was engineered here and is consistently rejected once it gets here regardless of how much “quality control” they put in place prior to it shipping out from there.


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While I have heard similar stories and experiences elsewhere for Chinese-manufactured parts and metallurgy, I personally have not experienced any issues in the 2 versions I've had in the '19 or my previous '15 Mustang GT.
08-26-2019 11:36 PM
bullit4404 Magna International(Canadian) and Ford run Getrag as a co-venture. It is no longer a German run company, although over 10,000 employees work in the German sector. The location of engineering of the products may be multi country. I'm guessing Ford engineers spec what they want, Getrag engineers the manufacturing specs and Getrag/Ford China builds the gearboxes. I wonder if the gearboxes for German cars are built in China as well, or in the Fatherland?
If the raw materials are produced in China, then IMHO the quality of their steel and aluminum is not as good as say, Japan, South Korea, Canada, US, Germany or the UK.
08-26-2019 10:43 PM
BULLITT02734
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The Getrag MT-82 was first introduced for the 2011 model year, so it's been awhile. It's gone through three iterations since that time. Regardless of the country of manufacture, it's a German-engineered transmission.


I manage a 60+ year old Canadian company that manufactures both here and offshore. Everything we offer is engineered in Canada. Still get crap out of China that was engineered here and is consistently rejected once it gets here regardless of how much “quality control” they put in place prior to it shipping out from there.


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08-26-2019 10:36 PM
Tony Alonso
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I remember reading that Ford went from Tremec to Getrag (sp?) as their manual trans supplier. Is this true? Also think I read that the 350GT's get a Tremec while the lesser models get the Chinese Getrag? Hmmm.

The Getrag MT-82 was first introduced for the 2011 model year, so it's been awhile. It's gone through three iterations since that time. Regardless of the country of manufacture, it's a German-engineered transmission.
08-26-2019 05:51 PM
BULLITT02734
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All true Paul, and the Getrags are made in China not Germany.


Too bad Trump didn’t jam tariffs on these too before Ford decided to use the pieces of crap.


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08-26-2019 05:22 PM
bullit4404 All true Paul, and the Getrags are made in China not Germany.
08-26-2019 01:06 PM
pwd72s I remember reading that Ford went from Tremec to Getrag (sp?) as their manual trans supplier. Is this true? Also think I read that the 350GT's get a Tremec while the lesser models get the Chinese Getrag? Hmmm.
08-26-2019 12:26 PM
sganow Same issue my son has with his Mustang GT. It has gotten worse. He has it in the shop now. I wonder if they'll find anything? I wonder if they will cover it under warranty? He has headers and exhaust and a tune.
08-26-2019 10:52 AM
K4310 I have the same issue when shifting into 3rd at higher RPM's. Doesn't want to go in smoothly and grinds. Always over the 4k RPM mark.
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