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Bullitt 3337 06-01-2018 12:46 AM

A few minor functional mods - any suggestions?
 
My Bullitt is a fun summer daily driver with fairly high mileage (not a show car or a collector car) so I am not really too interested in appearance mods, but I am considering a few functional mods and would appreciate any advice or suggestions regarding recommended mods or makes of parts etc.

I currently have the following in my shopping cart online at CJ Pony Parts:

https://i.imgur.com/8ZeyGTol.png?1

Air filter: The car came with a K&N, but I am thinking oem paper filters would be a safer long term solution (filtering more fine particles than the K&N). I live in a semi-rural moderately dusty area.

Rear control arms: I have noticed quite a lot of wheel hop under hard acceleration from rest, and the RCA seems to be a highly recommended option.

Shifter: I find the stock shifter very balky at times. It works well when shifted slowly and gently, but when trying to shift quickly it really sucks. Is the Barton a good choice?

I guess I should add that the car is fairly stock, the only significant changes so far are the FRS 500 axle back exhaust and 255/45-18 Continental ExtremeContact Sport tires. My goal is to achieve maximum performance on a low budget and maintain stock appearance and stock ride height.

Cheers

B3NN3TT 06-01-2018 10:06 AM

I have a set of Steeda rear LCA's that are pretty much exactly like those; very pleased with the performance; wheel hop is not an issue any more. The noise from the rear differential is much more pronounced when cornering, as there is less slop in the bushings to absorb the noise, so it's transmitted into the cabin. But if you don't mind a little more noise, it's a good upgrade.

Barton is pretty well-regarded for shifters, probably second only to MGW. I have a Roush and I hate it.

MustangMan 06-01-2018 10:07 AM

Lower control arms for sure they got rid of my wheel hop. Go with your favorite brand. I personally don't mind the stock shifter, but I have heard barton or MGW are the 2 of choice.

bullit4404 06-01-2018 11:16 AM

LCA's sound good, you can get some with softer bushings for less noise transfer. Check Steeda's street version out. Another shifter will help some, but 3650's are not the most fast shifting transmissions. In other words, you can shift faster than the synchos are capable of meshing. But, that said, a better shifter will be more precise; and noise transfer or shifter vibration may be an issue.
I like the paper AF as well. Have fun.

JackDW - 852 06-01-2018 11:29 AM

I highly suggest you consider struts and shocks. Helps ride and handling of the car.

saleen428 06-01-2018 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JackDW - 852 (Post 3693953)
I highly suggest you consider struts and shocks. Helps ride and handling of the car.



I highly recommend Bilstein shocks and struts. Their refined control is second to none. Transformed my car.


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VIC-TIM 06-01-2018 01:57 PM

probably out of all those you picked, the lower control arms will make the most difference. but, as advised, be ready for more nvh in the cabin as the poly bushings transmit much more noise. some people who never heard gear whine hear it after the change and think there is something wrong with the diff. not so, just less to inhibit the noise. worth it.

pwd72s 06-01-2018 04:01 PM

I'm still running the stock shifter, but based on reading here & other places, if I was going to change, I'd probably call these guys:

https://www.mgwshifters.com/

VIC-TIM 06-01-2018 04:51 PM

the mgw is supposed to be really good. only drawback for me was you cannot change the handle on those shifters. I like being able to change handles to get the height and angles I like better. Had a steeda triax at first in my Bullitt and hated it. very notchy and noisy. went to a hurst and was happy. have a pro 5.0 in my cobra and am very happy with it also.

Bullitt 3337 06-01-2018 10:40 PM

Thanks for all the feedback everyone.

I was not aware of the extra noise issue with the poly bushings on the LCAs, so really appreciate the heads up. I will look into the softer bushings available as suggested.

Regarding the shocks and stuts, I appreciate the suggestions and will certainly consider upgrading in the future, but they are not in the budget this year.

MGW looks like a good alternative for shifters, they appear to only sell direct which may be an issue for shipping to Canada, but I will look into it.

bullit4404 06-01-2018 10:53 PM

If that's the case, have UPS ship to their warehouse near the border and nip over and pick it up. I used to do that with R compound tires. A certain company (Kal Tire) had an exclusive on Nitto tires in Canada, and they added like 50% markup. So I'd order from Discount tire, shipped to UPS warehouse in Fort Erie, and I'd pick them up there. Cross the border, pay your GST, done.

TrueBlue02058 06-02-2018 12:06 PM

Have You looked at an MGW Short Throw Shifter ? I put one in mine 2 years ago, they are the best on the market.

Bullitt 3337 06-02-2018 12:42 PM

This kind of info is exactly why I appreciate this forum so much. After some more research, I am pretty sure the Barton shifter is off the table and the MGW is the way to go.
Thanks

Bullitt 3337 06-02-2018 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullit4404 (Post 3694249)
If that's the case, have UPS ship to their warehouse near the border and nip over and pick it up. I used to do that with R compound tires. A certain company (Kal Tire) had an exclusive on Nitto tires in Canada, and they added like 50% markup. So I'd order from Discount tire, shipped to UPS warehouse in Fort Erie, and I'd pick them up there. Cross the border, pay your GST, done.

This was my plan also. I am planning a trip to to Washington State at the end of June. I was hoping to find one supplier for all the items I needed in order to simplify things. But 2 orders (MGW & CJ Pony Parts) is doable.

Bullitt 3337 06-02-2018 01:02 PM

Would the Ford Racing lower control arms be a better compromise? ie: reduced wheel hop AND less NVH?

bullit4404 06-02-2018 01:16 PM

It's all about the bushings. The harder they are, more noise. The softer bushings usually will say, "Street use," if it says track or race they will be much harder.
The ford racing part # is M5538-4. These would work well. They are not adjustable, but as long as you aren't changing driveshafts or messing with geometry you should be good to go.

Bullitt 3337 06-02-2018 02:11 PM

Order placed. I went with the Ford Racing LCA + 3 cabin air filters and 3 intake air filters. CJP was good enough to price match the LCA (American Muscle price was $130, CJP was $145). I went with CJP originally since the AM cabin air filters were $13 more each and I wanted 3.

MGW shifter order placed.

I will update this thread when the shifter and LCAs are installed, some time in July.
Cheers

B3NN3TT 06-02-2018 07:46 PM

I've always been very curious about the Blowfish bracket for the shifter. It allows you to bolt the shifter entirely to the transmission, instead of half to the trans and half to the floor. Keeps the twist out of the shifter when the engine torque hits. Not cheap, but a great solution. Anybody have one?

CptSpig 06-04-2018 07:46 PM

I have the MGW short shifter and it's awesome. I also have MMS lower control arms with Spherical bearings and adjustable spring perch to set ride height. Bilstein's all around. I highly recommend these products!

oldlugs 06-08-2018 12:35 AM

My favorite “functional mod” - a one piece aluminum driveshaft! Took out clunking between shifts and made the car feel much smoother. This was done with 14,000 miles on the car. Car felt clunky with the original driveshaft from day one (I’m the original owner).
I’ve done a few other mods too, but the driveshaft really made the car nicer to drive. From memory, it’s a “Shaftmasters”.

pwd72s 06-08-2018 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullitt 3337 (Post 3694353)
This was my plan also. I am planning a trip to to Washington State at the end of June. I was hoping to find one supplier for all the items I needed in order to simplify things. But 2 orders (MGW & CJ Pony Parts) is doable.

Hmmm, any good shops in the Washington State area you're visiting? Have the parts shipped to and installed there? "Anything to declare?" "Nope...".

All parties deceased now, so no harm in telling this story. Back in the 70's a friend in London helped a USA based race team at Lemans. He drove his old 356A Porsche to France running a worn out VW engine. He returned with it running a very rare and valuable 4 cam 356 powerplant. You see, to French customs, all race team "spare parts" look alike. ;)

Bullitt 3337 06-09-2018 12:13 AM

I am planning to go to Washington for a few days at the end of the month, so I can bring back up to $800 worth of goods with no tax or duty. I am going to try installing the LCAs and shifter myself. Even though I have not been very mechanically inclined in the past, I have watched a few installation videos and figure it is something I should be able to handle. It is amazing what you can learn watching Youtube videos these days!

pwd72s 06-09-2018 01:18 AM

You have generous customs laws...:)

Bullitt 3337 06-09-2018 11:13 PM

The Canadian import rules have certainly become more lenient in the last few years. Unfortunately it looks like Canada and the US are headed for a trade war, so I expect things may be changing soon :frown2:

Warlock 06-10-2018 09:03 AM

I went with the FR GT500 LCA's also. I figured if they were designed to handle a 500+ hp. car, they could handle 315+ easy. I also threw on a set of Roush springs (dropped almost an inch) in the rear to lower it so it sits level. I am still running the never mentioned anymore, Hurst shifter. Hey, in almost 10 years of ownership it's been speed shifted thru all the gears maybe 5-6 times and I'm one of those that like the notchiness of the shifter. Sitting here now trying to decide on either larger front & rear sway bars or the aluminum driveshaft...….. >:)

chitownson 06-10-2018 05:50 PM

I installed the MGW shifter, best out there, easy DIY install with their website's video instructions. That, with the sound insulation MGW supplies for the trans tunnel hole was a great upgrade. (You'd be surprised how much noise comes out of the transmission tunnel.) Speaking of noise, I replaced the crappy fiberboard trunk floor under the carpet with a thin sheet of wood cut to the same dimensions - I have a post about this somewhere on the IMBOC website. You'd be surprised how much less road noises passes into the passenger compartment through that fiberboard garbage on the highway.

Bullitt 3337 06-10-2018 08:24 PM

Road noise? What road noise? ...I typically drive with the windows open, and the noise from the FRS 500 exhaust drowns out everything else - in a good way :)

I put a piece of dense foam (2'x2'x1/2" +/-) between my full size spare and the crappy fiberboard panel, in the trunk, so if I ever close the windows and slow down, hopefully it will have a similar noise reduction effect.

Glad to hear you like the MGW shifter. I am glad I asked around before ordering the Barton, since the consensus seems to be that the MGW is the best.

rangerdoc 06-11-2018 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warlock (Post 3697409)
I went with the FR GT500 LCA's also. I figured if they were designed to handle a 500+ hp. car, they could handle 315+ easy. I also threw on a set of Roush springs (dropped almost an inch) in the rear to lower it so it sits level. I am still running the never mentioned anymore, Hurst shifter. Hey, in almost 10 years of ownership it's been speed shifted thru all the gears maybe 5-6 times and I'm one of those that like the notchiness of the shifter. Sitting here now trying to decide on either larger front & rear sway bars or the aluminum driveshaft...….. >:)


Keep the sway bars and get poly bushings and new links. Spend your money on the driveshaft.

Warlock 06-18-2018 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rangerdoc (Post 3698137)
Keep the sway bars and get poly bushings and new links. Spend your money on the driveshaft.

Well I ordered the "Boss 302" rear sway bar only. I decided the stock Bullitt front unit was good enough since I don't motorcross or anything like that, just upping street handling a little, but later on... As far as the driveshaft, it'll be in the box with the sway bar. I'll teach my kids and grandkids to stiff me on Father's Day, inheritance just went down a few hundred dollars and maybe more later. >:)

Bullitt 3337 07-07-2018 11:09 PM

Quick Update:
I picked up the parts last weekend during my recent trip to Washington state. I installed an intake air filter and a cabin air filter as soon as I returned. While I had the air cleaner dismantled i also installed some brighter Sylvania headlight bulbs.

Today I installed the MGW shifter. It was a pain to install, although I would describe it it as more awkward than difficult. Getting access to the required parts of the car proved challenging. Once installed, the change to the shifter feel is dramatic. The MGW shifter is a big improvement over stock. The action is very precise and provides a far more mechanical feel (similar to a good quality bolt action rifle). The spring loaded self centering makes the 2- 3 shift almost foolproof. I did notice that the self centering action can make it easy to accidentally shift from 1 to 4 if you are not paying enough attention to shifting precisely (ie: slowly pulling away in stop and go traffic). I found I need to provide a slight amount of left pressure to go from 1 -2, (rather than 1-4) - I'm sure it will become second nature after a bit more practice.

Cheers

Bullitt 3337 07-21-2018 11:42 PM

Another Update:
I finally got around to installing the Ford Performance rear lower control arms today. It turned out to be an easier install than I expected - much easier than the shifter install. AM has a great step by step installation guide:
https://www.americanmuscle.com/ford-...t-install.html
I think it took me 1 1/2 hours from start to finish.

I was not really expecting a significant difference in normal driving with the control arm upgrade but was pleasantly surprised by the noticeable improvements....

1) My car had been making an annoying squeaking/squealing noise every time I pulled away in 1st gear and when shifting into 2nd. I had my mechanic check it out and he thought it was a small amount of play in the rear driveshaft CV joint (nothing to worry about he assured me). It must have been caused by the old brittle bushings in my old control arms, because the noise is now GONE :)

2) Pulling away from a stop in 1st gear even at very low speeds is now much more direct (for lack of a better term) I now realize that there was a noticeable amount of shunting or movement of the suspension/axle previously that made pulling away slowly and smoothly in traffic or doing a hill start slightly annoying - these issues are now GONE :)

3) The rear suspension feels slightly firmer. I drove a road I take frequently that has a series of large speed bumps. I can now drive slightly faster over the speed bumps without bottoming out the suspension. I also noticed that there is a slight increase in oversteer when applying throttle in a hard corner (don't worry, nothing bad happened - I just noticed a slight increase in rotation on throttle application).

4) Axle Hop.. the main reason I upgraded... I was enjoying the other improvements so much (1-3 above) I forgot to even check this. However I'm pretty sure there is going to be some benefit.

That's it for now
Cheers

JERIC 04-10-2019 09:47 AM

Thanks for providing the updates 3337 and for everyone else who chimed in. It's helped me make a decision on my next mods. I love this community!

Voo Doo 04-11-2019 11:34 AM

I have to install the Steeda IRS Brackets and bushings set... will install their lowering springs as well to go with my 20inch Wheels n tires!! I live 15 min from Blaine border and have a ship to address there... saves me tons of money!!!

https://www.steeda.com/steeda-s550-m...-555-5754.html

JackDW - 852 04-12-2019 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voo Doo (Post 3728355)
I have to install the Steeda IRS Brackets and bushings set... will install their lowering springs as well to go with my 20inch Wheels n tires!! I live 15 min from Blaine border and have a ship to address there... saves me tons of money!!!

https://www.steeda.com/steeda-s550-m...-555-5754.html

Ric, just wanted to point out that his is an 08/09 discussion. No problem with you input. Actually, I highly encourage anyone's input but I just wanted to point is out in case you were looking for a response.

Thanks for posting. :grin2:

Voo Doo 04-16-2019 12:25 AM

Ooooops...my bad, sorry EH !! lol


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