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480 HP car. 260 HP Brain. Upgrade needed!

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When I was a young lad a fast car was anything that could go 0-100 MPH in 20 seconds. An 08/09 Bullit will do it in 12.6 seconds! A 2019 Bullit will go 0-115 MPH in ~12.5 seconds!! Obviously a new definition is needed. The generally accepted definition of a fast car now is based on power to weight, and that is 10 pounds per horsepower is considered fast. An 01 Bullit is ~12.9 Lbs/HP (quick), and 08/09 ~10.8 Lbs/HP (Fast), and a 2019 is about 8.3 Lbs/HP (FAST). The advertised weights of each car, in ascending order are 3360 Lbs, 3520 Lbs, and ~4000 Lbs for the new Bullit! More about weight later.
So what's my point? We all know an expert driver in an 01 can be competitive with a rookie in a new Mustang, on a tight track. The 01 Bullit is a great momentum car, and the 08/09 is for me, the perfect balance of weight and horsepower. The big difference is when you get out on a fast track, the driver of the new Bullit has to make a big brain adjustment. In a new Bullit you get to 150 MPH probably 6 seconds faster than an 08! Add to that greater top speed and a lot more weight to manage your brake and steering inputs, you are likely to "run out of talent" without proper Adrenalin and Endorphin management. Your senses need training and repetition to adjust to the greater acceleration, narrowed field of vision and general input overload.
Police officers, who drive fast frequently, learn to manage their emotions and brain chemistry. I am quite frankly concerned about some of the high powered cars that are being sold today. We, as drivers are not capable of handling these vehicles safely at high rates of speed and handling without training. My 08 Bullit is plenty fast and I don't think I'd be comfortable in anything with much more performance. I've driven a
Trans Am car a few laps for fun and 2600 Lbs and nearly 800 HP is plain scary. (That's about 3.5 Lbs/HP!)
So how do we manage these Beasts. I suggest first, a skid control school, (good for adjusting to the feel of the weight and power) and then a good HSDE with an experienced instructor. When I used to instruct, I would only allow rookies to lap the track in third gear, at first. Once they had learned the "line," we would work on braking, shifting, and throttle management until we had a nice momentum and pace going. Only then would I let them drive to their max comfort level. And, every driver has a different skill level. They need to know how far their talent goes before they brain fade. Driving fast is a skill that requires frequent "refreshment," and it is a perishable skill. I'm definitely not as fast as I was at 30, but experience is helpful. I would never race competitively now, because I know what can happen and I've seen how long it takes for bones to heal properly. I am much more "risk adverse" now.
Years ago I built a car for a young kid to regional race. This kid was so talented, his Dad and I had to put a lower horsepower engine in the car to slow him down. He was borderline reckless, and it took a whole season for him to learn his limits. The next year we put the "big motor" in the car and he was on the podium in every race he ran.
So for God's sake, if you are moving up 160 or 220 HP, get some training. And once again if you are tired or hot at the track, come in before you run out of talent.
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well said. we see way too many videos of people purchasing these high hp cars and they crash them leaving the dealership. then you have those that have a 220hp car, then throw the boost to it with new internals and a shot on it and now running 800 and they wonder why they crash their cars.

as Peter Parker's Uncle said..." With great power, comes great responsibility". getting annoyed in traffic and hitting the loud pedal can have disastrous results. I think if you go out and, at least with new cars, purchase one of these mega beasts, you should have to have some kind of training with it. OTJ training in this arena......not good.
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Yep, same with the Viper, have seen them racked up leaving the dealership.
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the other unsaid reality is......in all honesty, when are you going to use all that power unless you race the car. my car has significantly less than a gt 500, has much more than it came with and I still don't use what I have. i putz around like most people, dodging the texters, on the phoners and the rest of the idiots who are more interested in what is happening either on their phone or all around them than driving their car. I have to watch out for them since they won't do it for themselves.

been walking out in public lately around a lot of people like at a mall? ....do you spend most of your time dodging them as they walk, heads down in their phone and no idea who or what is in front of them? car is no different.

does it feel good to go fast, of course. is it wise...not nowadays. I'd spend my money more on brakes and suspension in order to stop to avoid the others or being able to dodge them with complete control. with all that power, you may be able to (out)run (them to get away,) but you still can't hide....they are out there and they will find you!!!!!!!!
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down here, you can only receive a citation for texting when the officer stops you for a different infraction and observes you texting. insanity.

there is not offense for talking on the phone. I wish the would ban both.

people would rather be distracted while they are driving than take the activity to be both dangerous and serious....driving and thus pay attention as they should to be responsible. a 3500 to 6000 lb weapon in their hands that they don't want to be bothered with. used to I would see them reading books, magazines or grooming. now they have a better distraction.
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In the meantime, I welcome the automatic emergency braking and lane keep assist systems as "training wheels" for the distracted masses.
only thing is, according at least to my local ford dealership, the lane assist can malfunction and wind up driving the car into a wall or whatever. then also, if you get a lane assisted car aligned, you have to have the lane assist reprogrammed, otherwise, the car thinks it is off course per the old setting since it doesn't know the alignment was performed. no thanks.

this, with all the new and increasing technology, as the car being able to be manipulated by a hacker somewhere as he enjoys taking you wherever he pleases.

oh, and when that happens, i.e., cars that drive us....there is more of your freedom lost and more control over your life given to someone else. govt would love that!!!!!!!!!!!
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yep. the net is full of articles and info the the severity of injury from placing feet on the dash. yet, I see it all over the place down here all the time. my wife does it when we travel. I have told her but............
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