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:confused: I had mentioned to some young guys at work that I wanted to test out my Bullitt at the strip, I have not done this since I was 19, in 1970. He has this old Grand Prix, pretty rough, but has 88,000 miles. It has some mods; such as a computer chip enhancement, a better non-stock exhaust and he just put new rocker arms on, which frankly I do not understand much about.(what does that do for performance?). I am no mechanic by any stretch. I really know nothing about more sophisticated things like rocker arms. I will say this, his 2000 Grand Prix, 3.8 L, supercharged GTP package seemed extremely fast to me today from the passenger seat. I took him with me for the same run in my new Bullitt. We both think it would be close.(this was not at the drag strip)

We both got on the cars, and frankly, I do not know if the Bullitt will win, I have been challenged and I want to give it a go. I was surprised that the Grand Prix auto did not shift into third till about 90MPH, his rear end is I believe; a 2.93 or close, which would make sense. I had an Olds years ago with this engine, no super charger and I remember it was a gutsy engine, even in a 2 ton+ Olds LSS. He says he hits 102MPH in the quarter mile, that was before the addition of the new rocker arms, so who knows what that did to improve the performance, I surely don't. I would fully expect to take him out of the hole, but with that Viagra 2nd gear he would surely gain on me over the quarter...."No Country for Old Men", maybe.

I know this is long! What am I up against here?

I must add this, I believe is a front wheel drive car, so that would be a bit off in what I described.
 

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IF he hits 102 in the 1/4 it will be a close race. If you get a decent launch it will be a good race.
 

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Agreed

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IF he hits 102 in the 1/4 it will be a close race. If you get a decent launch it will be a good race.
I just did not expect the performance I noticed as a passenger, I thought...no way can this car be in the same league, I am very curious now. My intentions were to just drive down the strip several times to see what I would get out of the Bullitt solo, but my car has become a talked about vehicle at work. I feel like John Wayne being challenged by the kid gunslinger in one of his movies.

Perhaps I should just level him with a 2x4. Naw, actually he is a great young fellow,
 

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Lots of those guys have different pulleys on the supercharger which ups the boost.Plenty of them run in the 12's so watch out!Drop something heavy on his right foot at work the day before the race,That should help you out some.:lol:
 

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From the reviews his car only does mid 14s at best. With mods he claims (if that's the only mods) his car weights in about the same as the Mustang so you should be way ahead in HP and torque. If you can get your tires to stick you should win.
 

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Lots of those guys have different pulleys on the supercharger which ups the boost.Plenty of them run in the 12's so watch out!Drop something heavy on his right foot at work the day before the race,That should help you out some.:lol:
Terry (2)

Mark is telling it the way it is.

That car Does NOT Run like that in Stock Form I promise You.

He has altered things if it runs like that.

To be Honest with you unless you are really a good, (No Excellent) Shifter he will be in Front, IMO.

But hey "Terry" as they say the Race is not over until it is (OVER) !!!!!!!!!

The difference beteen he and You is He has had what sounds like a lot of Practice Drag Strip times and this is going to be Your 1st in the Bullitt.

Heck, just go do your thing and have some FUN !!!

If you Draw or Get Beat or Your in 1st Place You still gave it a Shot.

I've Lost many and Won many and in the end it was still Fun to just out there and Do-Your-Thing :lol: :lol: :lol:


Terry
 

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I had a 97 SC GTP that I traded in when I got my bullitt. Yes, they are quick cars. Mine was completely stock and there is no comparrison to my bullitt. I would suggest getting some track time in before you race. That way you can see how you are doing and you'll get acquainted with your car. With an 8 year old car, maybe his suspension is a little worn. the rear struts in my 97 were really tired and the car had a really hard time hooking up and had bad wheel hop. Good luck!
 

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I wouldn't run him for pinks-

We owned a 2001 GTP (Diane's dd) before purchasing our Roush. I had it running high 13's with very few mods (pulley, exhaust and pcm upgrade). There were a few hard core GTP owners in the area running mid 13's and a couple in the 12's with more mods like the rocker arm change (creates more cam lift = performance) and computer upgrades.

The GTP was equipped with the same Eaton M90 SuperCharger used on the SuperCoupe T-Birds and Roush Stage 3 Mustangs.

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Thanks for the advice from all of you. I guess I was just surprised more than anything that this car would be this quick. Is the best advice to try and shift right at about 250 RPM's less than redline? And what would be the recommended rpm to come out of the hole? I assume there will be some varying opinions here.
 

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having owned and driven several cars with the S/C 3.8, I can safely tell you that stock and lightly modded, these cars have lots of low end grunt but tend to lose their breath as speeds climb.

Don't get discouraged if he grabs an early lead on you, as long as you can shift decent, you should have no problem catching - and passing - him on the top end. :)


That said, if he's sandbagging you on what mods he has actually performed, then he could have one very quick car indeed, especially if he has upped the boost levels.
 

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Yeah, he definitely has a very modded gtp. Also, these mustangs don't seem to feel very fast even when you're really flying. I've been told that by several people I've let drive mine. Don't go by feel. He has the advantage of an auto. But, the best time ever pulled out of a bullitt is 13.2 and consistently 13.4 or less. Rev to 3000 rpm at launch and shift just before redline and you should be fine. :)
 

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Lightning and Wally, will take your advice, it will be fun, I think I am a good driver, I guess I will find out.
 

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Based on what I witnessed at the Texas Shootout, I would suggest you drop the air pressure in the tires to 18 psi, then pull out of the light at ~4,000-4,500. The 08 Bullitt that won all the races consistently ran 13.9 or below. I think his best run was 13.83 at 103 mph.

Oh yeh, and don't forget to turn the traction control off.
 

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I owned two Grand Prix before my Mustangs, a 2000 GT and a 2004 GTP (pictured) with the competition group. The 04 GTP-CG was a great car- very fast and handled well, and much improved over the 2000 GTP. That 04 GTP would give the Bullitt a run for the money. It had paddle shifters and a manual mode which worked well for upshifting, but lousy for downshifting. It also had the HUD which had a shift indicator. I kept it until 75K miles (until all the gadgets started going), and then I traded it in for my 07 Mustang GT. I still miss it occasionally; it made my daily 120 mile round trip commute in Atlanta traffic bearable. The new Pontiac G8 is looks like a great successor to the Grand Prix.




 

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BB2008 said:
I owned two Grand Prix before my Mustangs, a 2000 GT and a 2004 GTP (pictured) with the competition group. The 04 GTP-CG was a great car- very fast and handled well, and much improved over the 2000 GTP. That 04 GTP would give the Bullitt a run for the money. It had paddle shifters and a manual mode which worked well for upshifting, but lousy for downshifting. It also had the HUD which had a shift indicator. I kept it until 75K miles (until all the gadgets started going), and then I traded it in for my 07 Mustang GT. I still miss it occasionally; it made my daily 120 mile round trip commute in Atlanta traffic bearable. The new Pontiac G8 is looks like a great successor to the Grand Prix.




Yes that car is fast, I don't know all the things he has modified, But I will ask him to list them and I know he will, either way, I will do it, I am itching to see, even if I get nailed.
 

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Based on what I witnessed at the Texas Shootout, I would suggest you drop the air pressure in the tires to 18 psi, then pull out of the light at ~4,000-4,500. The 08 Bullitt that won all the races consistently ran 13.9 or below. I think his best run was 13.83 at 103 mph.

Oh yeh, and don't forget to turn the traction control off.
The hole rpm you suggest is in line with my thinking too. I know I don't want to sit and spin tires, I am told they put some sticky stuff at the start on the asphalt, so this may allow me to do what I cannot do on the street. Also what about burning the tires a time or 2 before the race, is that REALLY HELPFUL OR JUST EXPECTED? I assume a hotter tire has more grab, but really does that make a difference?:smile:
 

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Nobody really gives all of their mods.I had a four door 79' Malibu with hubcaps and a pretty stout 355 that sounded like a 305 with a cam,HEHE!It would run 7.70's in the 1/8 and looked like 10 flat.I never really told all of the mods,I just liked to watch peoples reactions to a brown four door granny ride as I left them at the tree and watched them try and reel me in,Which was rare.Have fun no matter what!A day at the track BEFORE the race would at least get you acclamated with the car.
 

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Terry said:
Yes that car is fast, I don't know all the things he has modified, But I will ask him to list them and I know he will, either way, I will do it, I am itching to see, even if I get nailed.
Hey Terry,

Give it a Shot and see how it goes........

Just keep in mind that (He) knows all the things he has done to his Car to get it to run like it does. It really makes No Difference if he would tell you or not, he still knows.

Hey just get out there and "Enjoy Yourself with your Bullitt.


Terry
 

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Terry said:
The hole rpm you suggest is in line with my thinking too. I know I don't want to sit and spin tires, I am told they put some sticky stuff at the start on the asphalt, so this may allow me to do what I cannot do on the street. Also what about burning the tires a time or 2 before the race, is that REALLY HELPFUL OR JUST EXPECTED? I assume a hotter tire has more grab, but really does that make a difference?:smile:
I did a couple of tire spins before each of my runs and found that it was not helpful at all. One of the guys at the track said that with the tires we have, really no need to heat them up as it doesn't do you any good other than putting spent rubber in the well for a clean up session later.
 

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do NOT smoke / spin em before the run
do NOT do any water type burnouts

drop the rear tire pressure to about 18-20 psi , increas the front to 38-40

do a quick stage , when ready to leave , bring rpm's up to between 2500 and 3000 and when green dump/ slip and go , lean into gas just as she hooks up , then stay in it until you hit 6000 - 6200 and shift hard ....... follow and don't let off until well past the traps.... should bring in around 13.6-8 depends on tack conditions
 
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