['01 Hoofbeat]

We'll see what BS he can spew about the cold engine rattle. I know this will not solve the problem right away, but if everyone who is having this problem, takes their car in to have it checked out, Ford will get the message that something has to be done. I'll post the verdict tomorrow guys.

 

[DrivingSimulators]

Let us know... I'm still debugging this when I have time.

 

['01 Hoofbeat]

First off, this guy didnt know there were any differences between the 2000 GT engine and the 2001 engine....you know, higher compression, diff. pulleys, diff water pump, diff. piston design etc... anyway, he told me he had a BUllitt Mustang in for the same noise. He told me my car sounded like sh*t! He then told me that Ford knows of the problem and that they are working on a fix. While I was there, I had them order a new oil pressure sending unit. I guess we just have to wait guys, and if your experiencing this noise, take your cars in to the dealer so Ford can see how widespread this problem really is.

 

[Bullitt4075]

To bad it means leaving it over night as first thing in the morning is the only time mine does it. But then it isn't that cold here and may not cool off enough during the day. Does anyone get the noise at any time other than the first start of the day?

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[DrivingSimulators]

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To bad it means leaving it over night as first thing in the morning is the only time mine does it. But then it isn't that cold here and may not cool off enough during the day. Does anyone get the noise at any time other than the first start of the day?

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This has proven to be a challenging noise to capture on tape. Sometimes in the morning it makes very little noise (it's still there, just not very loud and limited in the RPM band where it occurs). Other times at night on the way home from work it makes the noise quite loudly (around 10pm). I've even heard the noise mid-day after the water temp showed half way.

One would think if the problem were piston slap, it would occur every time the engine is cold, until the temps of the pistons warmed up.

If the problem were something screwy with the injectors and/or computer, then it could occur any time the conditions were correct.

A buddy claims to have a similar noise on his Porsche when cold. His mechanic told him it was his air pump (smog).

It's been a bit warm the last few days. When it cools off I'll keep trying to isolate the source of the sound.

 

[merc50]

And the saga continues........161 has just developed it :sad:

 

[Blakwing]

Is this something that you'd need a "Trained Ear" for? I've heard nothing suspect from 171 as of yet.

 

[fixer]

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One would think if the problem were piston slap, it would occur every time the engine is cold, until the temps of the pistons warmed up.

If the problem were something screwy with the injectors and/or computer, then it could occur any time the conditions were correct.


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I agree.

I've noticed on numerous occassions that letting the engine sit for about 2 hours gets the temp gauge to be right on the beginning of the "temp bar" yet the noise is still present.

AND!

Firing the car up after work at 3pm (hottest part of the day here in Phoenix)after an 8 hr day the noise is either barely noticable or not even present--and the temp gauge is stone cold.

In other words i can barely hear the noise even when the car's engine is cold but the ambient temp is near the 70 degree mark.

 

[LesnTea]

You do NOT need a trained ear to hear it. After a very cold night start it up, take it out on the road, in either 2nd or 3rd gear slowly increase your speed and watch your tach. At 3K you will start ot hear it and at 3500 it will be a fairly loud tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic..... It's very distinct. But once you have been on the road for 10 or 15 min and every thing is fully up to temp you can repeat the above 'test' and not hear anything at all unusual. At least that's the condition of 3185.



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[merc50]

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You do NOT need a trained ear to hear it. After a very cold night start it up, take it out on the road, in either 2nd or 3rd gear slowly increase your speed and watch your tach. At 3K you will start ot hear it and at 3500 it will be a fairly loud tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic..... It's very distinct. But once you have been on the road for 10 or 15 min and every thing is fully up to temp you can repeat the above 'test' and not hear anything at all unusual. At least that's the condition of 3185.



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Exactly what mine is doing. Im going to try a different cure. start it up and run it till it blows then get a new motor. I called they dealer and they told me they never herd of such a thing and that i probably need to change my oil. As if I'm a moron or something. ......Sorry, needing to vent .....Didnt mean to choke up your post.

 

[Dona]

I have to say "ditto"...exactly what mine is doing....only with one exception...mine goes away fairly quickly...less than 5 minutes, it's gone. But, when it's here, it's LOUD!! Ugh!

:nerd: Dona

 

[llama_boy]

Ditto here.. I baby the hell out of mine until it hits full temp.. anytihng above 2900rpm on a cold engine give me the infamous ticking noise.

 

[tbstangs]

I work in parts at my local FORD dealer(for the past 11 years)Within 3 months I purchased my BULLITT, a tech bought a min. gray 01 GT, and a service writer bought a min. gray 01 GT. The BULLITT has 713miles and no noise. The tech's GT has about 2200 miles & no noise, the service writers GT has 1800 miles on it and RATTLES like a den of snakes! IT sounds very BAD! FORD tells him they are not going to put him an engine in. This is most likely not over. More to come. Also you may want to check for oil leaks at the back of the heads! GOOD LUCK

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[Bushmaster]

The situation in my '01 GT changes as time goes by. It now makes the noise at around 2200 rpm, and where it used to go away as soon as (or even sometimes before) the temp gauge comes off the peg, in the last few days it's done it when the gauge (and I use the word "gauge" loosely) was at the quarter mark. I first noticed the noise about two months ago, when it would only rattle above 3000 rpm, so the changes in the characteristics of the problem have me pretty distressed. Not to mention Ford's inability/unwillingness to deal with it. I've had a couple of professional engine builders inform me that, if it's piston slap, as Ford seems to want us to believe, anyone who tells us that it won't cause long-term engine damage is blowing smoke up our posteriors.
I really don't want to go to the expense and trouble to pull all of my mods and take it to the local dealer, just to get some BS or a stupid expression. I'm still hanging in there waiting to see if anything official comes down the pike.
This has really, really turned me off on Ford, and I've been a hardcore Blue Oval fan for several decades. Whether the people y'all are talking to are idiots, or they think we're all idiots, Ford is definitely not handling this problem in a professional manner, at least not that I can see.
Sign me....
Very Disillusioned

 

[Bullitt/gg]

This is starting to get all too ridiculous. From what everyone has been posting there doesn't seem to be any continuity with what Ford or Ford dealers have been telling us. Some say that it is piston slap and its normal--others have been told they need to have their engine replaced--and then best of all there are those of us that have been told Ford is "fully aware" of the problem and is working on a fix. If this last one is true--what the hell is taking so damn long. Given the amount of time they have had to work on the problem and come up with a "fix" they should have been able to dissmantle the entire engine 100 times over and replace each and every part one by one until the "death rattle" dissappeared. I am really sick of the run around. Not to mention the same bullshit Ford has been feeding me about my transmission. After swapping out my transmission #4083 still grinds shifting from 1-2 when its cold. I cringe each and every time I have to make the shift. I often start in second to avoid the grind. This is all together wrong. I didn't spend close to 30 grand to have a car that simply gets me p*ssed off every time I get into it. And Ford's idea of letting the car warm up first is for the birds. I drive about 40 minutes to work everyday and it isn't until I am pulling into the lot that the grind is finally almost gone. I am simply not going to let my car warm up for an hour each and every time before I drive the damn thing. We all need to get a petition or something going to try and put a fire under Ford's ass to take some responsibility for these wide spread problems a lot of us are having. Anyone have some ideas of action we can take other than simply reporting the problems to our dealers? Because that obviously doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere.

 

[Bullitt4995]

Bullitt/gg

I agree with you 100%. And I would be the FIRST to sign such petition.

 

[Y2K16T8]

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Well, I would sign one too, IF I had those symptoms, but to this point I really haven't heard any of those noises! We've had some pretty cool morning too, 15-17 deg F for a few day at 5:30am.

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Why not sign anyway? Seems the problem can appear at any time. You never know what the future holds. I don't have that problem either but I'd sign.

 

[DHG #1302]

Give it time Karl.....You own the same car we do! :lol:

 

[DHG-1934]

The sound can be eliminated if you load the engine at all while it is still cold enough to make the noise. You could easily be "babying" the cold engine, but still placing enough load on it that you don't hear the sound. Not saying this is necessarily the case for you, but I'll bet it is for some people who think they don't have it.

 

[DrivingSimulators]

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This is starting to get all too ridiculous. From what everyone has been posting there doesn't seem to be any continuity with what Ford or Ford dealers have been telling us. Some say that it is piston slap and its normal--others have been told they need to have their engine replaced--and then best of all there are those of us that have been told Ford is "fully aware" of the problem and is working on a fix. If this last one is true--what the hell is taking so damn long. Given the amount of time they have had to work on the problem and come up with a "fix" they should have been able to dissmantle the entire engine 100 times over and replace each and every part one by one until the "death rattle" dissappeared. I am really sick of the run around. Not to mention the same bullshit Ford has been feeding me about my transmission. After swapping out my transmission #4083 still grinds shifting from 1-2 when its cold. I cringe each and every time I have to make the shift. I often start in second to avoid the grind. This is all together wrong. I didn't spend close to 30 grand to have a car that simply gets me p*ssed off every time I get into it. And Ford's idea of letting the car warm up first is for the birds. I drive about 40 minutes to work everyday and it isn't until I am pulling into the lot that the grind is finally almost gone. I am simply not going to let my car warm up for an hour each and every time before I drive the damn thing. We all need to get a petition or something going to try and put a fire under Ford's ass to take some responsibility for these wide spread problems a lot of us are having. Anyone have some ideas of action we can take other than simply reporting the problems to our dealers? Because that obviously doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere.
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If they can't or won't fix it, take it to arbitration. You don't have to suffer. I had my transmission rebuilt (didn't fix it, then started leaking), then had the transmission replaced (1-2 is acceptable, and now much better with Redline D4 ATF. However, 2-1 still crunches whether cold or warm). The Tremec in my C5 wasn't perfect either (Vipers use Tremecs as well), so the current state of the transmission in my Bullitt is par for the course.

Ask them to fix it. Take it to another dealer. Call the Ford 800 number (just do it, write down who you talked to). If you don't get satisfaction, see your warranty section of your manual for information regarding contacting an arbitrator.

Ford is not "bad" and neither was GM when my C5 had problems. They are big companies and move slowly. Follow the procedures that are available to you to get satisfaction. Read your warranty section in you owner's manual.