Test Drove a 2002 WS6 Tonight......

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On 2002-01-05 01:33, donwil wrote:
Look up the definition of margin(ally) in a dictionary. There is nothing there that states a specific number. It is left to the interpretation of the user using the word. Therefore, it is my opinion that the the performance difference is not worth the cost difference. IMO 0.5 seconds in the 1/4 mile is MARGINALLY faster, as reaction time, wheel spin and driver ability can more than make up this time at a track.

There is indeed a SIGNIFICANT cost difference between these two cars. At sticker the WS6 I drove was $33,520 and the Bullitt I bought was $27,380. This is a difference of $6,140. To me this is a SIGNIFICANT amount of money. Especially when factoring in the 0.0% interest for 5 years from FOMOCO and the 0.0% interest from GM for 36 months. The time value of money only makes the spread more significant over the longer finance term. As a general rule of thumb I will not pay more that 90% of sticker for any new car. Since I don't have any connections to any automobile manufacturer I can't get the larger discounts some on this site have gotten, but I can state that I paid right at 90% of sticker through an Internet purchase. I could take the $6k savings and put it into the Bullitt and then it would be faster than the WS6 in the 1/4. Therefore, IMO the Bullitt is a better performance purchase.

As far as "Best Bank for the Buck Award" these "awards" are determined by all types of auto publications and personnel. I saw on SPEEDVISION where their BBFTB went to the WRX. To each their own.

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: donwil on 2002-01-05 01:42 ]</font>
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I was one of the lucky ones who secured 0.0 APR for 60 months and not 36 months (big time savings there). I was also lucky to have bought my WS6 from a dealer who was willing to do very good business with me, hence the great, great, GREAT price I got for my WS6. Sorry, if I don't look up words in the dictionary when I am writing posts, but there is a big time difference in performance speeds between a stock WS6 and Bullitt. As a matter of fact, in 2000 the WS6 was listed in the top 10 fastest production cars!! You just admitted that you have to put $6000+ worth of mods just to come close to a STOCK WS6!!! Show me where a Bullitt has beaten a WS6 because you state that it can possibly be done.

Say what you will, but I think it is awesome that the Firebird and Camaro won the best bang for the buck, that there tells me something. Because if you discount this award, you will have to do the same for all the good reviews given to the Bullitt.

Also, I think I have more say in this subject because I own both cars and I can tell the power difference between them! Don't take me wrong, I love both the WS6 and the Bullitt.

Here are the actual numbers of displacement for the Bullitt 4.6 and the WS6 5.7.

Engine--Bore--Stroke
GM 350--4.00"--3.48"
Ford 281--3.551"--3.543"

Area = Pi * R²
Volume = Area * Stroke

3.1416 * 4.00 * 3.48* 8cyl = 349.8478 for GM
3.1416 * 3.1524 * 3.543 * 8cyl = 280.7064 for Ford

or a real difference of 69.1414 CI

349.8478 / 61.0237 = 5.7330 Liters
280.7064 / 61.0237 = 4.6000 Liters

Here is a great link for Engines
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~don_s/enginespecs.htm



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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: donwil on 2002-01-05 23:23 ]</font>

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Also, I think I have more say in this subject because I own both cars and I can tell the power difference between them! Don't take me wrong, I love both the WS6 and the Bullitt.
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Geez, thats an aristocratic attitude.

Actually, you don't have more to say JUST BECAUSE YOU OWN ONE. Everyting on these posts are opinions and we don't have to own something to have an opinion. And just because you own one does'nt necessarily make you an expert.

Peace :grin: :grin: :grin:
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On 2002-01-05 23:13, donwil wrote:
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Also, I think I have more say in this subject because I own both cars and I can tell the power difference between them! Don't take me wrong, I love both the WS6 and the Bullitt.
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Geez, thats an aristocratic attitude.

Actually, you don't have more to say JUST BECAUSE YOU OWN ONE. Everyting on these posts are opinions and we don't have to own something to have an opinion. And just because you own one does'nt necessarily make you an expert.

Peace :grin: :grin: :grin:
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: donwil on 2002-01-05 23:21 ]</font>
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Too bad, you got me all wrong. I didn't say that I had the one and only word, just that I might have more experience, etc. Needless to say, I am not carrying on because I know what my WS6 is capable of and it's worth every penny to me. If you owned one, you would know. Just my OPINION!!

Peace

Say what you will of LS1.com, but there is no mention of the Mustang (except in the kill section) as much as the WS6 here. Be glad that you have a Bullitt and don't feel like you have to compare it to a WS6/SS. That's like comparing apples to oranges. I may be wrong, and I apologize in advance (so no flames please) but it seems that some are trying to defend their Bullitt purchase over other vehicles such as the WS6 simply because of the many times it is mentioned here. I would still respect the WS6 even if I didn't own one simply because I have to admit, as a car enthusiast, that it is one awesome car. The power and capabilities of the car in stock is out of this world and for such an awesome price (must bring in The Best Bang for the Buck award again).

I say be happy with what you got.

BINGO,

I did/do like the WS6. IMHO it is the MEANEST looking car on the streets. The 4 open holes are menacing looking. Mustangs and F-bodies will always be compared to each other. Goes all the way back to the creation of the two cars, heritage they call it.

I could have bought a WS6, SS, M3 or anything from 40K down, but chose the Bullitt for the intangibles, history, look and gut feel, oh and I have had great luck with Ford products. Probably the biggest reason that I did'nt get a WS6 is the "gut feel" reason. I've had three GM products, 1971 Firebird w/Pontiac 350, 1978 FireBird Formula w/Chevy 350 and 1995 Chevy 1500 P/U. Notice the time difference in the years, thats because of the lack of quality and fit/finish issues I have had with all GM products I've owned. So, back to the comparisons, IMHO the performance difference is neglible for the price difference AND the inherrent quality issues of GM products.

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On 2002-01-06 09:23, donwil wrote:
BINGO,

I did/do like the WS6. IMHO it is the MEANEST looking car on the streets. The 4 open holes are menacing looking. Mustangs and F-bodies will always be compared to each other. Goes all the way back to the creation of the two cars, heritage they call it.

I could have bought a WS6, SS, M3 or anything from 40K down, but chose the Bullitt for the intangibles, history, look and gut feel, oh and I have had great luck with Ford products. Probably the biggest reason that I did'nt get a WS6 is the "gut feel" reason. I've had three GM products, 1971 Firebird w/Pontiac 350, 1978 FireBird Formula w/Chevy 350 and 1995 Chevy 1500 P/U. Notice the time difference in the years, thats because of the lack of quality and fit/finish issues I have had with all GM products I've owned. So, back to the comparisons, IMHO the performance difference is neglible for the price difference AND the inherrent quality issues of GM products.

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Hey Donwil, it's been good talking to you about the WS6 and the Bullitt. The same here, so far I have been very lucky. My WS6 seems to be very solidly built. None of the common shakes, rattles, breaks, etc. I have also been lucky with the Bullitt so far as well. I agree that the WS6 is very mean looking and that's what made me buy it over the Corvette. Also, I'll have plenty of time to buy a Corvette unlike the WS6. Then after buying the WS6, I fell in love with the Bullitt and then as they say the rest is history.

It's also very good that you got the car that you wanted. I can't imagine a worser feeling than having a car you just can't stand.

Until next time, peace.

My first car was a '68 Pontiac firebird and I will always love them. The Bullitt is my first Mustang. I bought a Bullitt instead of a WS6 Trans Am because I never use the car to it's ultimate speed capability anyway, and the Bullitt is more FUN for me to drive. I have thought a lot about why I find the Bullitt so satisfying to own and drive but I can not yet really answer. The WS6 is faster, and the best looking firebird since 1968, but to me it not as fun as the Bullitt. The Bullitt has great road feel, the exhaust sound is like music, the ride, handling and acceleration all work together just right. It is very hard not to let the engine run to at least 3000rpm before shifting, but this will get me in trouble yet for speeding. For reasons I can't really say the Bullitt fits me better than a WS6 Trans Am. Funny because when I went looking to buy a car last spring, I really wanted a WS6 Trans AM, Mustang was not even on the radar. I'm lucky my son pushed me to go look at Mustang, and luckyer still that my wife fell in love with the look and heritage of the Bullitt.

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On 2002-01-10 19:06, '01 Hoofbeat wrote:
I smoked a 2000 WS6 , from a 50 mph roll, and a dead stop. I hit 100 and he was still behind me !! I know I know, I couldnt believe it either, neither could he. He asked how many pounds of boost I was running, I laughed and told him to trade that bathtub in on a Mustang, the guy was speechless and a little p*ssed off. I did power brake it to heat the tires and I got sweet traction but he should have flew by after he banged it into to third. Trans ams aint Sheeot! I USE to think they were fast, not anymore. The thing about this is, is that the guy hunted me down for a race. I also smoked a '97 Camaro Z28, it was white with orange racing stripes.......it sounded Bad ass though.

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Try racing a 2002 WS6/SS and then see if they are sheeot! The 2002s are a lot better than the 2000 and below model years.

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On 2002-01-05 12:55, bullitt3980 wrote:
I know the Camaro SS and T/A are faster than the Mustang but the F-bodies are very difficult cars to get in and out of-the Mustang is a much more "livable" car. Besides the Mustang sells 4 times what the F cars sell combined and will live to see many more model years. I'm sorry, but the F cars do not have the heritage that the pony has. Even if GM does do another Camaro there won't be any link-just like the new T-Bird

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I find my WS6 to be a very 'livable' car and is great to run around town in just as the Mustang. Also, the Firebird/Camaro do have a very important heritage just as the Mustang!! The Camaro hit 35 yrs. this year! I just think that the Mustang outlived the Firebird because it has a more tame look to it and isn't as muscular, also SUVs killed them. That's just a couple of reasons and some that I have heard.