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There are 16 2019 "used" Bullitts for sale within 500 miles of me. Some interesting price and mileage variations.

Looks to be a fully loaded model with 5300 miles:

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/780742562/overview/http://

Yet this one, albeit dirty, is the same spec with only 55 miles for the same price:

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/779589048/overview/

Cheapest overall is $43,877 for a car with electronics package, magnaride and 1100 miles.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/779151770/overview/

Not sure without window stickers though how to see the exact spec of each car.
 

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Just curiosity on my part, but it would be interesting to contact the original buyers of these cars...

But you never know...as many here know, I simply regretted buying my '09. Still kinda do, but Cindy convinced me that it's best to try to drive my money out of it. I offered it for $20K here when the odo read only 4,000. Mark wanted it, but was unable to buy...no other offers. Probably best for me that it didn't sell. It's been a reliable and comfortable driver for a hair over 30,000 miles now. Just not a thrill ride for me.

So, could be a story similar, with the original buyer simply not happy with the car, or could be repoed, or something fishy...damage not being revealed.

Anybody considering one of these cars, I'd advise proceeding with extreme caution..

(edit) These a bit weird in light of a recent thread showing dealers still asking additional markup. I'm puzzled.
 

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Not good if selling so soon.


I’m going to be brutally honest here. I’ve thought of selling my 2019 a couple times. For a loss even. The transmission issues scare the crap out of me. It’s just not right. It’s a garbage transmission with spotty at best shifting. I have a collection of Mustangs and Capris and countless other performance cars over the years and with the exception of my 2001 Bullitt with the known issue going into 2nd gear, not one other of them give/gave me hesitation to drive it. Like I mean drive it. Like they were built to be driven. Until this one. I’m beyond far from hard on this car. I have drag raced Mustangs. Mustangs I built to drag race. I don’t do that type of driving on the road in my stock car. I save that for the track in my built for the track car. Fun, spirited driving in the 2019 just isn’t right. There is definitely an underlying issue. My buddy is a Nascar crew chief and the first time he drove my car “around the block” he said “Take it back. Your transmission is f*cked”. Same thing I’ve been saying since delivery. Sad thing is, I was warned by my local dealer prior to taking delivery that there were still issues and I didn’t listen. Wanted the car too bad. Drives me nuts that Matt is piling miles into his with zero concern and I feel like I have the lemon.

My 2019, while it puts a huge smile on my face every time I drive it, the transmission has issues 100%. I know it. Dealer knows it. Ford denies it. It’s well documented on service history but I know I put too few miles on it having so many other cars to spread my driving time around that the real issues will surface when it’s well out of warranty. With Ford’s terrible track record with my last 6 F150s and various warranty issues, I just know I’m on my own to correct their manufacturing flaws. This transmission included. That cost will far exceed the money I have spent fixing F150s on my own that Ford wouldn’t step up on.

I bleed Ford blue. But my blood is running thin...



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Just curiosity on my part, but it would be interesting to contact the original buyers of these cars...
Is that possible here? I know in the UK you can pay the DVLA (DMV) a fee to get every previous registration certificate (title) issued on your car. It is popular with classic car owners wanting to get the history of their car.

But you never know...as many here know, I simply regretted buying my '09. Still kinda do, but Cindy convinced me that it's best to try to drive my money out of it. I offered it for $20K here when the odo read only 4,000. Mark wanted it, but was unable to buy...no other offers. Probably best for me that it didn't sell. It's been a reliable and comfortable driver for a hair over 30,000 miles now. Just not a thrill ride for me.

So, could be a story similar, with the original buyer simply not happy with the car, or could be repoed, or something fishy...damage not being revealed.

Anybody considering one of these cars, I'd advise proceeding with extreme caution..
Could be any of those like you say. Could some also be dealer test cars etc? I think the most likely explanation is either people aren't enjoying them and got the opportunity to buy something else or can't keep up the payments (I have seen one confirmed case of this). I'd be surprised if they were damaged and been fixed up so quickly.


I have a collection of Mustangs and Capris
Any 1st/2nd gen? (1971-1977)


My 2019, while it puts a huge smile on my face every time I drive it, the transmission has issues 100%. I know it. Dealer knows it. Ford denies it. It’s well documented on service history but I know I put too few miles on it having so many other cars to spread my driving time around that the real issues will surface when it’s well out of warranty. With Ford’s terrible track record with my last 6 F150s and various warranty issues, I just know I’m on my own to correct their manufacturing flaws. This transmission included. That cost will far exceed the money I have spent fixing F150s on my own that Ford wouldn’t step up on.

I bleed Ford blue. But my blood is running thin...
That sucks, I'm so sorry to hear that. I haven't gotten mine yet and will probably buy used but I'd be crushed to buy my dream car and be having issues with it.




Many old phrases hang around because they are true. So....

If something seems too good to be true, it's because it is.
16 for sale within 500 miles of me, which what, 9000 built new in the last yr? I think they are all probably legitimate cars but then that's me giving them the benefit of doubt.
 

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I’m going to be brutally honest here. I’ve thought of selling my 2019 a couple times. For a loss even. The transmission issues scare the crap out of me. It’s just not right. It’s a garbage transmission with spotty at best shifting.



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Can you elaborate on the transmission issues ? Is this a common problem and does it only affect Bullitts or GT's as well ?
 

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I'm not sure of all the issues, but I believe the main issue on the 2018 onwards MT-82 transmission was failure of aluminum selector forks. I BELIEVE this was a batch issue and not a design issue but others can correct me. Other issues I don't know much about but have heard voicing's is of it being difficult to select gears when cold.
 

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So I guess this is not something you would notice when you first pick up the car ? It gets worse over time ? I am thinking of a 2020 GT. Maybe I should go Auto
 

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The problem seems to be exacerbated with heavy use. The cast aluminum shift forks deform, eventually causing loss of gear selection. Apparently this has been corrected, but I'd like to see billet aluminum shift forks or a steel variant. (Billet forks already available aftermarket) There were some synchro. issues as well, no doubt in part, as a result of wonky shift forks.
The other thing is the ratio selection in the 18> is not close ratio enough for my liking. A buddy has a 16, and I like his gearbox better than the current one. The 18> has 2 overdrives, the fuel mileage is very good, but the progression through the gears seems wide to me.
My new Dodge truck has an 8 spd automatic and you can hardly feel the changes, very close together. I have nearly 500 KM on the truck and have just used a 1/4 of a tank of fuel so far. For me, in the Mustang GT, the Ford 10 Spd automatic is superior in all ways except the for the tactile pleasure of shifting gears.
 

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The problem seems to be exacerbated with heavy use. The cast aluminum shift forks deform, eventually causing loss of gear selection. Apparently this has been corrected, but I'd like to see billet aluminum shift forks or a steel variant. (Billet forks already available aftermarket) There were some synchro. issues as well, no doubt in part, as a result of wonky shift forks.
The other thing is the ratio selection in the 18> is not close ratio enough for my liking. A buddy has a 16, and I like his gearbox better than the current one. The 18> has 2 overdrives, the fuel mileage is very good, but the progression through the gears seems wide to me.
My new Dodge truck has an 8 spd automatic and you can hardly feel the changes, very close together. I have nearly 500 KM on the truck and have just used a 1/4 of a tank of fuel so far. For me, in the Mustang GT, the Ford 10 Spd automatic is superior in all ways except the for the tactile pleasure of shifting gears.
The gear ratios in a '19 Bullitt could really be improved. The engine is "peaky" but the gear ratios IMO are better suited to an engine with more low end grunt. 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear are too tall and could be tighter spaced ratio-wise. Same for 5th too really. OK to leave 6th where it is for highway driving. That and the car is too heavy but don't get me started on that.

Personally if Ford made the next Mustang under 3400 pounds, same engines, revised gear ratios and made a few chassis improvements to give it a lighter driving feel and slightly improved handling, the car crowd would go crazy over that and there would be some very clear differentiation between the Mustang and it's domestic competition. Oh and ditch the vacuum gauge and replace it with an engine oil temp gauge.
 

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I purchased the DHG one with 1,100 miles on it from Victor Ford yesterday. Love the car!


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I purchased the DHG K1500 with 1,100 miles on it from Victor Ford yesterday. Love the car!

Welcome!!!! Please show pictures when you get a chance. What options does it have? Do you mind if I ask what you paid for it? It might be useful for someone following this thread to get an idea of prices.
 

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The 2016 gear ratios are, all :1, 1st, 3.657, 2nd, 2.430. 3rd, 1,686, 4th, 1,315, 5th 1.00, 6th 0.651
The 2018 gear ratios are, all :1, 1st 3.24, 2nd, 2.10, 3rd, 1.42, 4th 1.00, 5th, 0.81, 6th, 0.62. Essentially a 4 Spd transmission, with two overdrives. Fuel mileage first, performance.....
 

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Personally if Ford made the next Mustang under 3400 pounds ...
No Pony car with a V8 will ever get that light again because of government safety regulations & today's nvh design standards. Heavy cars are here to stay.
 

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No Pony car with a V8 will ever get that light again because of government safety regulations & today's nvh design standards. Heavy cars are here to stay.
There is a lot of truth in that statement unfortunately but it could be done. The car can get a bit smaller, some lighter weight materials can be utilized and once the car gets a little lighter some weight can be taken out of things like chassis/brake/wheel assemblies. Do-able but it would be an expensive re-design and probably not at all what Ford is thinking. Mustangs don't sell in big enough numbers to probably justify the cost.

Friend of mine, an SRT engineer told me last year: "it's way easier for us to just tell the engine guys we need another 100 horsepower". Challengers and Chargers are pig heavy.
 

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Thank you for starting this thread. It will be interesting to see how the market goes as the 2020s start getting to dealers. By the way, in light of what people experience with the MT-82, I haven't found it to be problematic in normal street driving. Yes, there was a run of them in 2018 that had forks with bending with generally (although not always) aggressive shifting when people were jamming on them hard. There was a material change near the end of the 2018 run which means the 2019s should generally be better. I have seen one instance of where someone had shift for problems in their new one and refused delivery.


Keep us posted what you find, tonykart22, as you see more. I do think 2020 could be your year of acquisition, unless you try for that C8 Corvette first :)
 
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